Since the Buffalo Poetics list is private, I can't really quote from someone's post. But I recommend highly taking a look at Kazim Ali's post yesterday in response to some remarks made by George Bowering. Occasionally a post may reach to the level of poetry. This one certainly did. The poetics archives are available online at the Electronic Poetry Center to anyone. You can gain access to it through my Hompage which is on the links to your left. Click on Home Page; then UB Poetics; then May 2003; then number 12, Kazim Ali.